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	<title>Comments on: Japan:Fuel-cell vehicle sales in reverse despite push</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Cook</title>
		<link>http://fuelcellsworks.com/news/2009/06/27/japanfuel-cell-vehicle-sales-in-reverse-despite-push/comment-page-1/#comment-2573</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Edward Greenlee’s comments

Hydrogen is not an energy source, it is an energy carrier, you have to make the hydrogen from other chemicals (water electrolysis, methane reforming) using other forms of energy, which is not particularly efficient (~80%), then you have to transport it and store/compress it, also not particularly efficient (another 20%+ loss). Finally you have to convert the hydrogen back into electricity at ~50%. This gives a well to wheel efficiency of around 30-35%. For a battery vehicle well to wheel is of the order of 70%, HFCV &amp; BEV both assume renewable electricity source.
Once battery technology has improved a bit more in the next few years (i.e. reduced price and better capacity) hydrogen vehicles are unlikely to be competitive as the running costs of HFCVs will be double, possibly more, than that of BEVs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Edward Greenlee’s comments</p>
<p>Hydrogen is not an energy source, it is an energy carrier, you have to make the hydrogen from other chemicals (water electrolysis, methane reforming) using other forms of energy, which is not particularly efficient (~80%), then you have to transport it and store/compress it, also not particularly efficient (another 20%+ loss). Finally you have to convert the hydrogen back into electricity at ~50%. This gives a well to wheel efficiency of around 30-35%. For a battery vehicle well to wheel is of the order of 70%, HFCV &amp; BEV both assume renewable electricity source.<br />
Once battery technology has improved a bit more in the next few years (i.e. reduced price and better capacity) hydrogen vehicles are unlikely to be competitive as the running costs of HFCVs will be double, possibly more, than that of BEVs.</p>
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		<title>By: Japan:Fuel-cell vehicle sales in reverse despite push &#124; FuelCellsWorks&#160;&#124;&#160;Cell Call World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japan:Fuel-cell vehicle sales in reverse despite push &#124; FuelCellsWorks&#160;&#124;&#160;Cell Call World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post:  Japan:Fuel-cell vehicle sales in reverse despite push &#124; FuelCellsWorks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Edward Greenlee CPA</title>
		<link>http://fuelcellsworks.com/news/2009/06/27/japanfuel-cell-vehicle-sales-in-reverse-despite-push/comment-page-1/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Greenlee CPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are those that buy the Prius because the want to make a difference. Give me the alternative and I will buy a fuel cell auto.  Why?  If Hydrogen is the most abundant element on Earth and the Universe, then it makes sense from a supply / demand perspective.  With economies of scale it will become affordable.  If at the end of the process it recombines into water, then isn&#039;t it a renewable source?  How much more independent and green can we get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are those that buy the Prius because the want to make a difference. Give me the alternative and I will buy a fuel cell auto.  Why?  If Hydrogen is the most abundant element on Earth and the Universe, then it makes sense from a supply / demand perspective.  With economies of scale it will become affordable.  If at the end of the process it recombines into water, then isn&#8217;t it a renewable source?  How much more independent and green can we get?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Cervi</title>
		<link>http://fuelcellsworks.com/news/2009/06/27/japanfuel-cell-vehicle-sales-in-reverse-despite-push/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Cervi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress can pass all the laws they want, however laws of nature and economics will prevail.  Maybe the world doesn&#039;t have fuel cell vehicles for rational reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress can pass all the laws they want, however laws of nature and economics will prevail.  Maybe the world doesn&#8217;t have fuel cell vehicles for rational reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: GS</title>
		<link>http://fuelcellsworks.com/news/2009/06/27/japanfuel-cell-vehicle-sales-in-reverse-despite-push/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>GS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way the world will get fuel cell powered vehicles is to outlaw the 
internal combustion engine after 2014.  All resources will then be put into
hydrogen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way the world will get fuel cell powered vehicles is to outlaw the<br />
internal combustion engine after 2014.  All resources will then be put into<br />
hydrogen.</p>
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